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Internal Traits -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #177
by Pat Bertram
February 08, 2012 09:46 PM EST | recommended: 3 | comments: 42 Characters are the heart of the story, and internal traits are the heart of a character. Such traits can be acquired or be inborn, can be invisible to other characters but visible to the reader or visible . . . more
Concept -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #176
by Pat Bertram
February 01, 2012 10:54 PM EST | recommended: 5 | comments: 67 In Building Better Plots , Robert Kernen provides a quick quiz to help you decide if your subject matter is strong enough to sustain a novel. I thought these questions would be a good platform to start . . . more
Scenes/Plot/Story -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #175
by Pat Bertram
January 26, 2012 12:30 AM EST | recommended: 7 | comments: 60 For our discussion tonight, I'm throwing out some comments by David Gerrold in Worlds of Wonder. Make of them what you will: If you want the reader to believe something impossible, you have to find . . . more
Scenes and Transitions -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #174
by Pat Bertram
January 19, 2012 12:37 AM EST | recommended: 5 | comments: 44 A few weeks ago, one of the members of this group asked if we could discuss scenes and scene transitions, so that’s what we’re going to do. (But if you'd rather discuss something different, . . . more
Win/Lose -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #173
by Pat Bertram
December 29, 2011 01:11 AM EST | recommended: 6 | comments: 38 In Writing Fiction, Jane Burroway suggests asking what your character wins by losing and what he loses by winning. Such a conundrum adds depth, irony, and subtlety to your book, and keeps it from . . . more
Names -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #172
by Pat Bertram
December 15, 2011 12:32 AM EST | recommended: 5 | comments: 68 Scarlett O’Hara was originally called Pansy. If Margaret Mitchell had kept that name, would this character from her epic novel ever have become so popular? I doubt it. A Pansy would be sweet and . . . more
Titles -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #171
by Pat Bertram
December 07, 2011 03:00 PM EST | recommended: 4 | comments: 93 The title of a book is important. It’s the first thing a prospective reader sees . . . or at least it used to be. Now the author’s name comes first and apparently is a much better selling . . . more
Maximum Capacity -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #170
by Pat Bertram
December 01, 2011 12:01 AM EST | recommended: 5 | comments: 70 According to James N. Frey in How to Write a Damn Good Novel , protagonists should always be determined, willful; have a ruling passion; act out of a complexity of emotions and motives, contradictions, . . . more
Hurt the Hero -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #169
by Pat Bertram
November 17, 2011 12:58 AM EST | recommended: 6 | comments: 78 I like my characters and don’t enjoy hurting them so my novels tend to focus on unraveling the mystery of the situation, because one thing I do understand is that at the heart of all books is . . . more
Change -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #167
by Pat Bertram
October 27, 2011 02:13 PM EDT | recommended: 8 | comments: 62 Change is the reason for a story. Without change, you have an anecdote, perhaps a description of a life or a time, but no story. Every time there is change during the course of the story, and more immediately, . . . more Content Comments
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Pat Bertram commented on a post "Lori, Pat, and Mickey, thank you for talking with me tonight. It was a joy, as always." more Feb 09, 2012 10:38PM EST
Pat Bertram replied to a comment by Mickey Hoffman on Internal Traits -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #177 "Lori, that's a good result of the first try, and when his second try doesn't work, then he could become really desperate. It's the three bears scenario. First try is too little, second takes all his knowhow . . ." more Feb 09, 2012 10:33PM EST
P.W. Dowdy replied to a comment by Mickey Hoffman on Internal Traits -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #177 "Yes, every outcome, good or bad, will give the story a chance to grow and to hook. That is such a good point--setting up another scene with a 'variation' of the issue." more Feb 09, 2012 10:13PM EST
L V Gaudet replied to a comment by Mickey Hoffman on Internal Traits -- No Whine, Just Champagne Writing Discussion #177 "Or, not even about less respect for authority but rather a feeling of desperate inadequacy and helplessness because the authorities won't help with a dead cat and no proof or witnesses of how it died." more Conversation Space
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karen vaughan,
Dec 3, 2011, 5:17PM EST
DAUGHTER AM I—PAT BERTRAM-KINDLE EDTION. Mary Stuart has grandparents or had grandparents, but they were murdered and she has inherited their farm. It seems that due to family politics her dad disowned his parents’ years before. Mary discovers a little black book in her grandfather’s possessions and finds a ragtag bunch of former mobsters who Mary takes on and makes friends with –Sounds like a trip down the yellow brick road at first but turns into a rousing adventure to find the hidden gold from a long ago robbery. Their prime nemesis in this case is a gold obsessed murderer following them. The long and short of the story is they find the gold and dispense with the bad guy and end up turning the farm into a working retirement haven for old mobsters. I found this book to have a really neat concept to it. Most people boo anything to do with mafia or anything criminal. In this case these characters are lovable octogenarians on a last adventure for buried gold and who provide our heroine with insight to what her grandfather was like. Ms. Bertram has written characters you can cheer on and hope the best for. There is a little bit of everything for everyone in DAUGHTER AM I; humor, adventure, insight and a love story when Mary meets Tim. I recommend this book to anyone who loves a good road trip story. I GIVE DAUGHTER AM I FIVE GOLD BARS.
Tina Peacock,
Nov 17, 2011, 2:59AM EST
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